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Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: May 21, 2016, 08:27 AM »

Penn State Basketball / Re: Welcome Satchel Pierce!
« on: May 12, 2016, 03:09 PM »
Just because the title is "Welcome Satchel Pierce" does not mean he is reading it. 

You do realize that this forum is for US, and that the players, in all likelihood, do even know this forum exists?  Nothing that is said on this forum has any effect whatsoever on what happens within the Penn State Hoops Program.

....again, I don't want to sound like the bad guy when I have to drag people back to reality.  Sometimes, we not only misjudge our recruits' effect on the program, we even completely overrate our own effect on the program.   :-\

I'm not trying to say your comments have an effect, but you're completely naive if you assume what's written here, on BSD, on Twitter, on 247/Rivals/Scout isn't monitored by players and coaches. I met Tony Carr and his parents this past weekend. They knew who I was right away when I said I'm a writer for BSD. You should be under the assumption that what you're writing will be seen by players and family.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Grad Transfer List
« on: May 10, 2016, 10:31 AM »
I mean, I hear coaches and players in this league say all the time that it's the best in the country, why wouldn't you stay in the conference if you have to transfer from your first university?  ;)

Penn State Basketball / Re: Grad Transfer List
« on: May 4, 2016, 11:02 AM »
...surely there were a few hundred other schools that would have been happy to have him if Purdue wants him.

But do they have open scholarships?

And are they 75 miles from his hometown?

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 14, 2016, 03:44 PM »
I have an update going out on BSD tomorrow where I mention this,

The Shallow Analysis™ is designed not to crowd out enterprises like BSD....

We are just two dudes with websites that are jonesing for Penn State hoops recruiting news  ;D

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 14, 2016, 03:24 PM »
Yes. Assuming no transfers, no one signs in the this spring (outside of a grad transfer), and scholarships are awarded as they become available:

One scholarship next fall before Hampton/Bostick/Carr/Stevens hit the floor
Zero scholarships available in fall 2017, after Hampton/Bostick/Carr/Stevens freshman year
Four scholarships available in fall 2018, after Hampton/Bostick/Carr/Stevens sophomore year

That actually lines up OK for us, presuming Hampton/Bostick/Carr/Stevens gel together. A good sophomore season and we don't face the expectations problem that probably hurt the Fall 2010 signing class, with five scholarships available after an 11-19 (3-15) record in 09-10.

I have an update going out on BSD tomorrow where I mention this, but the 2017-2018 roster right now has three 5th-year seniors. These days with graduate-transfers, it's reasonable to expect one or two of them won't be here for their 5th years. That would obviously shift things in the long-term view if more scholarships were to become available in 2017.

Also, Mike Watkins will be 21 years old before next season. Anyone who expects him to be here for a 5th year is dreaming. As soon as he has an opportunity to make money for his family, whether that's hoops or utilizing his degree, he's gone.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 9, 2016, 05:05 PM »
Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean that I "missed the point".

I don't care if you agree with me or not. It's up to you whether you want to accept the truth of the matter. The last time I will say this - Frazier helps open doors for this program that were previously shut. He doesn't guarantee any recruiting success in the future, but he allows this program to cast a wider net for recruits going forward. How you don't think that's a game-changer when we have a recruiter as good as Pat is baffling.

Eric, you talk about 40+ other schools.  Here is a bit of different math...

30 NBA teams x 15 man rosters = 450 players.  Add in injuries, 10 day contracts, etc. and you have close to 500 players in the NBA.

So, how many other schools are represented by those FIVE HUNDRED players?  If I were to guess, I would say easily 100+ schools. (if I am wrong, I'm sure someone will quickly point it out.  If I am close, I'm sure nobody will bother to verify)

So, it that the 'advantage' we are talking about?  Frazier gives us the same 'advantage' that 100 other schools already have? (and keep in mind, with Timmy being an UFA, in the NBDL and temporary contracts, we are at the BOTTOM of those 100 schools.)  Is that really a big difference in where we are now?

Well, the data is readily available. By the way, you didn't account for players that are from overseas or those who didn't go to college (84). You also don't account for the majority of players that are coming from blue blood programs that Penn State cannot compete with and probably never will. UNC/KU/UK/Duke/UCLA/Arizona have a combined 100 players in the league. So that shrinks the NCAA's data set from 446 to 262, but only subtracts six programs from the 111 represented. 262/105 is 2.5 NBA players per program that has this advantage. Penn State having just one representative closes that average margin considerably. It certainly doesn't hurt that our one player has put himself in superb position to find a prominent spot in an NBA rotation next year as a backup. No league minimum contracts or D-League action next year. Looking forward to his free agency this summer.

In case anyone wondered about the B1G totals from the NCAA data (with some regional recruiting competitors added in):

Syracuse - 8
Michigan State/Michigan - 6
Georgetown/Wisconsin/Ohio State - 5
Villanova/Indiana - 4
Maryland/Pitt - 3
Illinois/Purdue/St. Joe's - 2
Iowa/Minnesota/Penn State/Temple - 1
Rutgers/Northwestern/Nebraska - 0

It doesn't seem Chambers is having much trouble talking to some of the better talent.  I can't imagine that Chambers will use the same "we have an NBA player on a temp contract" calling card that 100+ other schools can use, and it gives him any type of foot in the door.  It's nice to be able to do so (...kinda like having an extra $20...), but it really doesn't make a real difference in his position.

You do realize it took FIVE years to get to this point, right? And those 5 years only yielded results in the staff's backyards - the DMV and Philly. You don't think a coach with a 5-year resume of no NCAA/NIT appearances has trouble accessing players nationally for a program as historically awful as Penn State's? That's absurd.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 8, 2016, 10:12 AM »
I guess a lot of people do not bother to look at the other side.

Who are we competing against, and who does those schools have in the NBA?  Are we competing against schools that have NOBODY in the NBA?  I root for Timmy, but the situation is what it is...   he is a kid who went undrafted and had to work his way up from the D-League to sign a couple of 10 day contracts.   In a vacuum, maybe we can get away with that.  But, if we are competing on the recruiting trail against the big boys who can turn the situation around and point out the truth of it to the potential recruits, it doesn't get us anywhere.

Well done. You completely missed my point and added needless condescension in your response.

The other side doesn't even matter when you can't even play the game. The simple point to understand here, if you choose to do so, is that having a guy in the NBA like Tim Frazier gives a legitimacy to PSU's program in the eyes of recruits/AAU coaches that they didn't have before. For some people in the recruiting game, if you don't have anybody in the NBA, they don't even want to hear you out. They won't take your phone calls or give you the time of day. There are 40+ other high major programs with better track records that can get "their guys" to the NBA.

Tim Frazier's example simply allows Penn State to talk to more people across the country. More AAU programs, more HS programs, more recruits. DJ Newbill's example allowed Chambers to talk to more people in Philadelphia, and that seemed to turn out pretty well with the 2016 class. 

No one here is naive or stupid enough to believe that Tim Frazier's NBA career would actually be the deciding factor against our competition for a recruit. But if his example allows PSU to start recruiting a certain prospect that they otherwise wouldn't, then it makes all the difference, because then it lets Pat do what he's good at. Sell.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 7, 2016, 02:14 PM »
This stuff is really poorly explained.

I don't see any verbiage about restricted communication with AAU coaches  8)

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 7, 2016, 01:26 PM »
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the live window begins today. What all does that entail?

Live window? Spread, what are you talking about?

The April live periods, where you can evaluate AAU events, will be the next two weekends - April 15-17 and 22-24.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 7, 2016, 11:09 AM »
But just the same, Tim's NBA success has spanned all of 12 games on an injury-riddled team.  Other than articles written by Pelicans beat writers and blogs, the only people who know who Frazier is in the NBA are those using him in daily fantasy leagues since he's cheap.

Even the other day when he went for 18 and 13, most of the sportscenter highlights from the game were the other team.

They're not trying to sell Tim Frazier to casual fans on the street. They're selling Tim Frazier to recruits and AAU coaches who are dreaming to be in his position in 5-10 years. Obviously the more relevant Tim is in the league, the greater the impact, but nothing is more important than just being able to associate "Penn Stater" and "NBA player"

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: April 7, 2016, 10:11 AM »
You can't understate how important Tim's NBA success will be for recruiting, at least in combating the negative perception of our program. Other than NCAA tournament success, Tim's NBA career is the next best thing for PSU on the recruiting trail. That doesn't mean we'll suddenly land way better prospects, but it's ammunition the staff can use to start forming more and more relationships out there rather than getting the phone hung up on them.

Penn State Basketball / Re: PSU hoops articles, videos, etc.
« on: April 2, 2016, 09:47 AM »
Bonus, I had tweeted at the host prior to Pat coming on (just noting that Pat did have a fan in Central Indiana), the host played it up and Pat promised me tickets to the IU game the next visit to Assembly Hall. You bet I'm remembering this.

You were the highlight of this interview.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: March 28, 2016, 11:25 AM »
Corey Manigault, 6'8 C from Paul VI (Josh Reaves old hs) in DC Catholic League reopened recruitment after Dixon left Pitt. Class of 2016. No word of interest in PSU.

Retweeted by the player himself.

He's back on the market

Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: March 26, 2016, 12:04 PM »
Corey Manigault, 6'8 C from Paul VI (Josh Reaves old hs) in DC Catholic League reopened recruitment after Dixon left Pitt. Class of 2016. No word of interest in PSU.

Retweeted by the player himself.

Count me as #teamverbalcommits or #teamRSCI. I find 247's composite rating to be highly questionable if you follow it closely throughout the recruiting cycle and the various rankings updates in the industry. They don't correlate to my naked eye nearly as much as they should, but 247 certainly has mastered the perception of providing an objective rating. That said, I definitely used to be #team247composite and I won't deny that it will still be referenced on BSD because it has become the preferred rankings in the industry.

Either way, there are certain posters that still like to exaggerate the star ratings of our roster next year. I share FREE_WATKINS' annoyance at picking and choosing rankings just to make a false point that we have so many 4-star players. You can't make that claim without taking into account all rankings in the industry. I think we're better than spitting hot takes about how much better ESPN is than Rivals because PSU has more 4-star players on ESPN than they do on Rivals.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Grad Transfer List
« on: March 23, 2016, 02:16 PM »
You guys were getting me confused...

Undergraduate waivers are gone. Those were commonly known as hardship waivers for sick family members, but coaches and players obviously pushed that to the point where everyone had a sob story for why they needed a waiver. It was impossible to administer fairly, so it's gone. If you're an undergrad transfer in a major revenue sport, you're gonna have to sit out that year in academic residence.

But what I thought we were discussing were graduate transfers, which are still very much allowed. The NCAA does not like what it's become, but the reform discussion hasn't been focused on eliminating the rule altogether.

So yeah, if you got an undergraduate degree, you can transfer and be eligible immediately to enroll in a master's program your current school doesn't offer. There's just two different processes players have to take, depending on whether or not they have previously transferred in their careers. Damion Lee did not, so he was considered a graduate-transfer exception. Trey Lewis did, so he had to be awarded a graduate-transfer waiver. All the waiver process seems to be is the player writing the NCAA an essay for why he's transferring again. I haven't heard anyone being denied a grad-transfer waiver, so it's basically the same thing.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Grad Transfer List
« on: March 21, 2016, 10:59 PM »
I was completely joking with my tweet.

So no one gets carried away with the idea...

Although I'd imagine a Kevin Stallings hire would change the picture. Unlikely, but I saw him mentioned somewhere as a potential candidate.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Grad Transfer List
« on: March 21, 2016, 05:45 PM »
I was completely joking with my tweet.

As for the serious discussion right now, there is a graduate transfer waiver for those that have already transferred once.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Tim Frazier in the NBA
« on: March 21, 2016, 09:55 AM »
I can't access his video clips from work, but if I remember, two of his turnovers were guys not being ready for his passes.  Another one came on a loose ball play.  Two others were his typical out of control turnovers.

He's gonna have a lot of turnovers considering the Pelicans supporting cast. More important for him to keep hitting those jumpers.

Penn State Basketball / Re: Coaching Change Thread
« on: March 11, 2016, 10:45 AM »
Jersey coaches weigh in on the Rutgers job

"I think Rutgers should hire someone who has recent or current ties to recruiting the New Jersey high school and AAU programs," said Roselle Catholic coach Dave Boff, whose team has won two of the last three Tournament of Champions titles. "Someone who is going to make the commitment to signing kids from the area which will in turn get New Jersey excited about Rutgers basketball."

"Three factors make the Rutgers' search committee's job unique: the program's recent struggles, the conference affiliation and the New Jersey location," Chavannes said. "The fact that Rutgers basketball has been down for a while means you need a new-age coach that can connect with the 'Millennial Generation, AAU-era athlete to convince him to shun the tradition of a perennial power program and come to a place where he can be a trailblazer and build something new and get the credit for it.

"Chris Mullin brought us all in and he said, 'Listen, we can do all the things we want to do right here at St. John's University," Bright said. "He brought in Matt Abdelmassih, who did a great job at Iowa State [as an assistant], he brought in Slice [Barry Rohrssen], he brought in guys who have been here, done it, and can get in the trenches. And Rutgers can't be high and lofty, either. They've gotta have guys who get in the trenches with us."

Sound familiar, eh? We have our guy.

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