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Penn State Basketball / Re: Season Tickets
« on: Yesterday at 01:11 PM »
Ah, fair enough. I worked there for a school year, just making sure people are trying to check with them. I'd be willing to guess it's a mechanical problem with the server they use, so if you get a call back, it wouldn't be until they fix the issue.

Unless the internet has a new definition for mechanical, that's about the last thing that I'd suspect. 



Cool. Glad you gave your opinion. I'm just spitballing, don't take it so literally.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Season Tickets
« on: Yesterday at 09:38 AM »
Ah, fair enough. I worked there for a school year, just making sure people are trying to check with them. I'd be willing to guess it's a mechanical problem with the server they use, so if you get a call back, it wouldn't be until they fix the issue.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Season Tickets
« on: Yesterday at 08:39 AM »
Have you guys talked to 1-800-NITTANY?

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: August 25, 2014, 06:52 PM »
Ah okay, but honestly, I have no idea who our last ship will be. It seems Alston is a priority, which makes sense.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: August 25, 2014, 12:02 PM »
NOT

It's been pretty quiet on the recruiting front for a little while...any front runners for that last ship emerge yet??

Why did you change my post to NOT?

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: August 21, 2014, 12:27 PM »
Levan Alston is on an official visit to VCU today per Alex Kline.

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 20, 2014, 05:10 PM »
Because a cop shot and killed the kid.  I get why it's a story.  I just don't understand why some media have decided that the cop was definitely in the wrong before the investigation is complete.

Agreed. But patience and understanding does not exist today and the people who tune into the 24/7 news channels want all the latest information, which is why those stations are such jokes because they print so much incorrect information. No one would tune into CNN/MSNBC/FOX if they didn't talk about it or if they said, we are awaiting further details of the investigation. I'm sure Nancy Grace has been a treat during these events.

Think I read an article today saying that the cop had a fractured orbital bone, though I don't know if that's in relation to the events that led to him killing Michael Brown.

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 11, 2014, 09:16 AM »
You jump from a nudist wedding to a nudist colony, as if all nudists live together in cult-like isolated communities....     ....just "WOW'.   

That's the assumption you make when thinking about nudist colonies. I never said they were a cult. They are a different group of people with viewpoints different to mine, by all means, go do what you want to do, I don't have a negative opinion of them. I don't know anything about nudist colonies (though they seem like good candidates to partake in nudist weddings right?). I guess I'm unfamiliar with the whole nudist wedding thing in general and maybe it was a rash assumption to make that only negative colonies have them.

To try and swing it back to the original topic, it is not a discriminatory reason for a photographer to say, "I don't want to photograph a nudist wedding because I don't feel comfortable being nude and/or photographing nude people." It's not as extreme as pornography in a way but someone who doesn't want to photograph pornography can give a similar response (not a like for like obviously) to why they don't want to photograph a nudist wedding. The baker, well I'm not sure if they could get away with it unless the people were practicing nudists in the store and she refused to serve them because they were nude in her store, but I'm sure there's some way they might be able too.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: 2014-15 scheduling thread
« on: August 11, 2014, 09:01 AM »
In my PSU days our gang played hoops at the White Building when Rec Hall was booked!

I played hoops everywhere. IM, Rec and White.

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 8, 2014, 07:58 AM »

No. But I would imagine that a nudist colony has many people within their colony who perform many functions. I doubt many outsiders are involved in things like a nudist wedding. That may be wrong but unless you have anything to show I'm wrong or tend to prove I'm wrong, it seems you are just stirring the pot for little reason.

ah, yes........the scientific method of the internet


Not really. Made some speculation (which in my head is reasoned), was called out on it and was given a very odd comparison between gay people and nudist colonies but nothing challenging my actual speculation. So, I'm just asking if Skeeza has any experience with nudist weddings or knows anything about them.  :-\

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 11:50 PM »
Wow, so does that mean the people who make wedding cakes for gay couples are "almost all gays themselves"?

I guess I better pay close attention to whom I am doing business with, or I will have a stereotype pinned on me.   

No. But I would imagine that a nudist colony has many people within their colony who perform many functions. I doubt many outsiders are involved in things like a nudist wedding. That may be wrong but unless you have anything to show I'm wrong or tend to prove I'm wrong, it seems you are just stirring the pot for little reason.

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 02:48 PM »
But the law doesn't - as far as protected classes go. And sexual orientation is not a protected class.

In some states it is.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Welcome Joe Hampton!!
« on: August 7, 2014, 12:11 PM »
To continue this conversation off-topic.

WELCOME JOSH REAVES

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Penn State Basketball / Re: PSU hoops articles, videos, etc.
« on: August 7, 2014, 11:21 AM »
Thank you!

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 11:21 AM »
You assume that the baker is 'offering to bake cakes for all different kinds of weddings'.  What if the name of his store is "Straight Cakes Only"?

I'm not assuming that, this is what I said.

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It's the same thing for a baker that offers to cook wedding cakes for all different types of weddings.


It applies to the baker who offers their baked goods to the public. Though, if their name was straight cakes only, they would be in direct violation of an anti-discrimination law depending where they were located.

I just happen to think something like a baker is more of a contractor.  I think you should be able to walk into his bakery and buy anything that's already made no matter who you are, but if you go in and ask him to make you a cake that has something offensive on it (offensive to the baker, that is), he should be able to refuse taking that contract.

If the baker doesn't want to bake something because it's offensive, then that's a non-discriminatory reason! Though I'm not sure the argument is there to make that baking for a gay couple is "offensive" even if you disagree with the lifestyle. Maybe that could slide in some way but I'm doubtful of that.

If a baker is making wedding cakes for only straight couples (provided it's some religious bakery that only bakes them for these specific types of couples that doesn't include gay couples because that would be open discrimination on a public service as well), then they wouldn't be necessarily offering a public accommodation. It depends how their doors are opened for business. If a gay man could walk into a bakery and buy a cake or ask for a cake to be made (for a birthday for their partner for instance or something) and the baker does it, how can he then turn around and say oh I don't want to make this three layered cake for a wedding that will only have two male figurines at the top but the rest of the cake is no different than any other wedding cake I've made. To me, that's hypocrisy.

But this discussion about being a private contractor is really just factually inaccurate IMO of course. If the baker is in the public services industry and is offering to bake cakes for a variety of people and advertises him or herself as such, then why should they be able to say, ohhhh no, not gay people. I can't have two male or female figurines on top of MY layered cake. They are as much contractors as a business that offers catering to the public. Again, they are both in the public services industry, they aren't allowed to discriminate contrary to the law.

How would you feel if a bakery refused to make a cake for two black people getting married because they hated black people and were openly racist? It's the same principle, just probably not as extreme of an example when you consider how racism and discrimination based on sexual orientation are viewed.

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 10:08 AM »
Congress in its current makeup will not be adding homosexuals as a protected class, so those arguments are being made on constitutional grounds only. Which are of course subject to the personal politics of the Supreme Court members.

I expect that at some point sexual orientation will be added as something that's protected that can't be discriminated on, whether that will be 10 months from now, 10 years from now, I just expect it will happen at some point. Here's a link from the ACLU's website that gives the number of states that have added sexual orientation to their anti-discrimination laws. Not as many states as I originally thought.

https://www.aclu.org/maps/non-discrimination-laws-state-state-information-map

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Penn State Basketball / Re: PSU hoops articles, videos, etc.
« on: August 7, 2014, 09:39 AM »
Does anyone have an idea when we could expect the Drexel/PSU game in Allentown to start selling/allocating tickets?

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 09:35 AM »
I'm not sure where this idea of 'public accommodation' comes from for things like a privately owned bakery or a for-hire photographer, things like housing and utilities fall under completely different rules than  other private businesses.

How is being a baker any different than being a restaurant? Restaurants aren't allowed to discriminate. It's not whether you are a public business, it's whether you are offering a public service. There's a distinction there. For instance, Dorney Park could be a privately held business (I'm not sure they are, but let's just say they are for the purposes of this), but they offer a public service and accommodation with their amusement park. They must admit all different types of races, religious faiths, sexual orientations, etc. They can't discriminate. It's the same thing for a baker that offers to cook wedding cakes for all different types of weddings. Discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation is exactly the type of thing that anti-discrimination laws are designed to prevent.

You can't hold a gun to the photographers head and force him to take every job that comes his way.

They can still not photograph the weddings! It just can't be for a discriminatory reason!

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 09:30 AM »
It's not the same. That was my point. Pornography is something I think everyone can agree a photographer can choose to not shoot. A gay wedding, while not the same, is still something people with certain religious views would want to avoid. Who are we to tell them their beliefs are wrong?

But there's a difference. Saying I won't photograph a gay wedding because I don't agree with it (so essentially, saying because I don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle) is not the same as saying I won't photograph pornography. Pornography is not protected for anti-discrimination laws when it comes to offering a public service, sexual orientation, as I said before, is mostly (if not in all) protected in all states.

The rest of my post said there are lines. And I'm not sure where they should be drawn by law. That was meant to indicate the two examples are not the same. But where should we draw the line?  What about a nudist wedding?  That's a wedding too.

But a nudist wedding isn't protected. A person could decide not to photograph a nudist wedding if they don't want to. Besides, I would imagine that photographers for nudist weddings are almost all nudists themselves, so this is not a question that would come up. It wouldn't be discriminating on the basis of religion, race, sexual orientation, etc., it would be the same as a restaurant saying "you must wear at least shorts, shirts and shoes to eat here." If someone comes into the restaurant without a shirt on, the restaurant can refuse service. The same example applies for a wedding.

But I can understand that it might make some people uncomfortable based on their religious beliefs.

It might make them uncomfortable but if you want protections of the law, then don't offer to take photographs at all types of different religious weddings or non-religious weddings!

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OT / Re: OT's GONE WILD!
« on: August 7, 2014, 07:47 AM »
It doesn't. But you can't force a photographer to shoot pornography, so why a gay wedding if they feel strongly opposed to it?

So how are pornography and gay weddings the same in your scenario?

A wedding photographer that is offering their service to the public isn't allowed to discriminate against that on the basis of race, religion, sex, etc. Most states, if not all (I haven't checked), have added sexual orientation to that list that people aren't allowed to discriminate on (when offering a public accommodation). If it is so against their religious faith, then they shouldn't have offered their services to the public and kept it private or remote with their religion.

Larry's comparison to the restaurant is directly applicable for wedding cakes and even the photographer themselves. At least for the photographer, you could argue they would be exposed to gay behavior (they wouldn't otherwise had been exposed too and if they are really against it maybe you could find some way to make a legal argument out of it, though I'm not familiar with that area as much), the wedding cakes, the baker is just baking a cake. That's a much harder argument to make.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: August 7, 2014, 07:32 AM »
Broddie visited Georgetown today

I chose to read this as "Broddie visited Georgetown to tell them he's going to Penn State." ;)

It's august. How much more recruiting could be done for this season?

Well, it takes up our last scholarship that we had available, which does officially end our recruiting for 2014.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: Recruiting
« on: August 6, 2014, 09:54 PM »
So does this conclude our recruiting for this year?


I believe so.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: 2014-15 scheduling thread
« on: August 5, 2014, 09:24 PM »
UNCC is Charlotte isn't it? College of Charleston is a separate university.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: 2014-15 scheduling thread
« on: August 5, 2014, 01:43 PM »
Sure but we also have to win our opener.

Just like a recruit where all the shots go in, I choose to look at our W/L the same way.

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Penn State Basketball / Re: 2014-15 scheduling thread
« on: August 5, 2014, 11:57 AM »
I'd take a repeat game against either over a game against Cornell. 

I would expect South Carolina to beat them, though I don't know how their program is doing atm.

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